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Post by chuck on Mar 3, 2014 15:24:08 GMT
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Ep 7
Mar 3, 2014 17:22:40 GMT
Post by Rags65 on Mar 3, 2014 17:22:40 GMT
Good summary, thanks. Didnt remember Sheriff Tate in Ep. 1 thats for sure!
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Ep 7
Mar 3, 2014 17:42:16 GMT
Post by Rags 65 on Mar 3, 2014 17:42:16 GMT
My last surviving theory (and its a well-publicized one) is still that the former Mrs. Hart and/or her father have ties and exposed Audrey to the group behind this. Maybe even had dual purpose to screwing Cohle, that is to put a wedge in the partnership and the investigation. 2 other questions: Why was Dora Lang put on display rather than hidden like all the others and are the LeDoux bros. and the Lawnmower man offshoots, mercenaries, copycats, scapegoats, etc.? Cant see them being 'in charge' or actually being the Yellow King, etc. Finally, will this be a huge cover up or just a relatively small clan of crazies? And will either of our boys be alive at the end. I loved when Hart said that Rusts' praise was high coming from a bartender and Cohle's acceptance of the jab and hand gesture was really one of the first signs of partnership they have shared.
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Ep 7
Mar 3, 2014 21:18:27 GMT
Post by Admin on Mar 3, 2014 21:18:27 GMT
That family tree is insightful, thanks. Wow, the "Maggie could be involved" theory is chilling. And possible.
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Ep 7
Mar 3, 2014 22:00:10 GMT
Post by bighugmug on Mar 3, 2014 22:00:10 GMT
Yes, that certainly is chilling. I still think it's more likely that, between the two, Maggie's dad is involved instead of her, but the Maggie thing isn't impossible either.
I just can't see how they're going to wrap this up in one more 1-hour episode. Could it be a 2-hour season finale?
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Ep 7
Mar 4, 2014 15:28:44 GMT
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Post by sangamo on Mar 4, 2014 15:28:44 GMT
Rust isn't as far gone in 2012 as he let on in the interview. His interactions with Marty are far more lucid and down-to-earth. He seems to have given the detectives a Corcosa show for the purposes of obfuscation and misdirection, getting a read on them, trying to determine if they are pawns or perps.
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Ep 7
Mar 4, 2014 18:58:42 GMT
Post by Rags65 on Mar 4, 2014 18:58:42 GMT
Random thoughts, questions and follow-ups to other points...
Rust was certainly putting on a show for his interrogators, although he philosophized to Marty like that in the car a few times. Maybe showing he didnt trust Marty at one time either? Why then does he trust him so easily and completely now? Because Marty left the force? Because he investigated him too? His self-awareness, wondering if his whole obsession and concentration on this case is crazy or has driven him crazy, show that Rust uses the psycho-babble as needed to deflect.
Is it random that the bar owner where Cohle works has a missing son, or did Cole find him when investigating? Does it matter? (probably not)
Why is Marty so completely separated from his daughters? Even given the nature of the divorce he would have visitation/custody to some extent. Why not? Hasn't seen them or Maggie for quite some time (2+ years?) until the visit in ep 7.
Love the Sandusky catch in the other thread! I did have it cross my mind that the Tuttle schools in some way mirrored his use of his charity to victimize the ones intended to be helped. Just a fleeting thought, but that resemblance is too much to ignore, IMO.
I also strongly wish it was a 2 hour (or more) finale, but we'd know that by now.
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Ep 7
Mar 5, 2014 17:26:16 GMT
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Post by sangamo on Mar 5, 2014 17:26:16 GMT
There's a big difference in philosophy between the 1995 ride-alongs (pessimism) and the 2012 interview (M-Brane theory suffused by the Corcosa ravings).
Ep 8, "Form and Void" is only scheduled for one hour on HBO Sunday, unfortunately. I would be extremely surprised if Cohle survives. I wouldn't be at all surprised if neither of them survive.
Pizzolatto has described Marty as a very prosaic, old-school, Southern, macho guy who naturally would have delegated the raising of daughters to their mother. The isolation of both main characters is another big point Pizzolatto has emphasized. This is all consistent with his unusually detached family relationships.
I don't see Maggie or her father involved in the case at all. There simply aren't enough plot points to support those theories. The Hart Family sub-plot is merely there to flesh out Marty. Rust doesn't get the same treatment because he is meant to remain mysterious, while Marty is an open book.
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Ep 7
Mar 6, 2014 4:48:09 GMT
Post by Admin on Mar 6, 2014 4:48:09 GMT
So looking forward to the finale. This is the first week I haven't over-thought what might happen. I don't need to figure it out beforehand at this point. Just gonna take it in as it happens.
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Ep 7
Mar 6, 2014 14:06:18 GMT
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Post by sangamo on Mar 6, 2014 14:06:18 GMT
More like attending an execution than a court hearing. The only real questions remaining are how wide the conspiracy goes, what is the ritual meaning and origin, and what do Hart and Cohle have to sacrifice to pay their debt.
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Ep 7
Mar 6, 2014 16:08:42 GMT
Post by Rags65 on Mar 6, 2014 16:08:42 GMT
I've asked out loud a couple of times wondering why Dora Lang was displayed for discovery and all the other (presumed) murders were well hidden. But, of course there was one other displayed victim, that being that last--the one Cohle was seen nearby, the one hanging under the bridge in the detectives file, the one that was kept out of the news but clearly not hidden from the public eyes of the people who live nearby and discovered her.
Any summary of the 'organization' or group that has been committing these crimes needs to offer a reason between these two differing "M.O.'s" as without it, the 2 apparent crime scenes are just too convenient for the writer to provide official police knowledge of the entire conspiracy. Meaning, if there was no Dora Lang there have been no initial investigation in 1995 and without the last body, there would be no investigation in 2012 (other than Cohle's ongoing unofficial one). I know we aren't going to get an explanation for everything, but I hope they do explain this or I'm going to have a hard time,,,,,,,
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Ep 7
Mar 6, 2014 17:42:54 GMT
Post by kurtis8784 on Mar 6, 2014 17:42:54 GMT
Couldn't the Dora Lange crime scene be as simple as what Rust said in the first episode or two? "Somebody killed the girl in the woods and made a big show of it."..."He's showin' off."...
The other murders that Rust & Marty discover were all investigated, marked "in error," and had incredible similarities to Dora's case and the Lake Charles case. I don't think the other murders were hidden by the Cult, rather they were just covered up by the cops.
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Ep 7
Mar 6, 2014 18:55:51 GMT
Post by Rags65 on Mar 6, 2014 18:55:51 GMT
Thats where I wonder if the LeDoux brothers and the Lawnmower Man were/might be more of a copycat-type deal. An offshoot that knows about, has some connection to the 'Cult', but not truly a part of it. Taking some of those symbols and perversions but using them differently and for different purposes (older victims, heterosexual fantasies), as opposed to ritualistic molestation of young victims. Maybe the 'Cult' only kills when "something goes wrong" or only opportunistically? The hooker in NoLa wasnt killed, if Audrey was abused, she wasn't killed.
I dont know, just rambling off the top of my head at this point.
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